You mean that “on the grid” illegals hoard in sanctuary cities?
Not surprised.
Most illegals, however, are not on the grid. If it was as easy as a Google search to find where they live then Trump would have a very easy time rounding them up for deportation.
No it wouldn’t. Do you think Trump just has God powers and when he says round them up for deportation that people just listen?? Sorry to break it to you but he doesn’t. Not to mention, Trump is not the President yet. Also, many people are opposed to the mass deportation of illegals and many are willing to take measure to protect those people and stop higher powers from making that happen.
(1) That was my point. Making a claim from Google on where illegals leave would require data to exist that doesn’t exist.
If it did exist, roundups and deportations would be easy. The data does not exist, which is why deportations will be hard once we are past those who we do have data on (those with criminal records).
(2) Yes, if Trump tells law enforcement to enforce our immigration laws they will just listen. If they don’t, they will be fired and replaced.
(3) Will some try to stop or prevent law enforcement from enforcing our laws? Certainly. Thankfully, that is a crime for which they can be arrested.
But data does exist. I don’t know how they got the data. Maybe it’s not entirely accurate, but I can imagine there being ways of figuring it out through indirect evidence.
The hard part of deportations is not knowing whether and where it exists. That is known to a high degree of certainty. It’s known where the sanctuary cities are, it’s known that leaders of those cities have mostly spoken out against deportations.
The hard part will be the execution. It’s not a simple matter of well if law enforcement doesn’t follow the law then arrest them. Rarely does law enforcement just follow the law of the land to the book. They make judgement calls as to what is really important. And a lot of that will have to do with what local leaders have to say. If there is no local buy in then it will be hard for much deportation to happen.
They got the data from the cities that openly offer benefits to illegals and thus have illegals living on the grid.
These are colloquially called “sanctuary cities.”
As for law enforcement not following the law, when they are directly instructed to enforce a law, they enforce that law. We also have an entire federal agency dedicated to such things.
Oakspar77777
8 years ago
You say you are belittling my lack or reason, but the attached argument is a straw man.
The proof is in the maps above. One of those maps leaves a viable nation, the other does not.
Oakspar77777
8 years ago
You act like Syria isn’t a place you can walk across in a few days.
Moreover, most of the country is unpopulated desert.
There is really only a strip of life along the western side of the nation and down the river banks.
Maybe you should look at Syria for awhile.
Also, isn’t Aleppo also a city (the center of the Rebel’s power)?
Eat_Eateator
8 years ago
The only worthy goal in the world is to save all the people. To that end, the idle man on the farm is a waste of timespace. Farming and all work done by man inefficiently serves the few, that is why we automate. Don’t worry about your measly paycheck and think of all others at once.
No, the only worthy goal in the world is to save humanity.
Saving “all the people” is a false promise that can only exist in the pipe dreams of liberals.
Automation is well and good and agriculture has been automating from the plow to the combine, but it is still a labor intensive task because you are dealing with nature – and nature is variable (and variability is the enemy of automation).
Glad you are willing to share your ideas, most silent Trump voters are too scared to talk about anything in public.
Anyways, people vs humanity is a glorious heavenly distinction, to a retard. You would prefer the cloudy undefinable mist of “humanity”. I mean, how dare you get specific and pragmatic enough to envision a single human face that doesn’t come from your incestuous family and circle jerk friend circle. The only experience with automation you have is failing to program your VCR correctly.
Pretty sure it had more to do with firing a rocket in Nebraska and having it hit Moscow with no means to move it once it fires.
Covert military communications later brought into academia by those same nuclear and rocket physicists.
rodii
8 years ago
Ah, there are two Cumberland Islands, I didn’t notice that. I live on the one in Michigan, which is Wayne and Washtenaw (and perhaps Oakland and Genesee) counties. Not a Cumberland to be found.
This is now. It’s not about the future. I can think of three reasons for today’s Democrats being in cites: (1) graduates of liberal schools get the bureaucrat jobs that are concentrated in cities and those people donate to democrats and support them, (2) welfare recipients are concentrated in cities and they vote for free stuff, and (3) city residents depend heavily on government services for utilities, buses, recreation, and schools so they come to believe government is the answer to everything. A way forward would be: (1) telecommuting to diffuse the population, (2) Uber and other private transportation services,(3) school choice, and (4) welfare reform.
Ghost
8 years ago
Ogocaca
Mike Toreno
8 years ago
Hahahahahahaha. The freeloader state you live in would collapse in 3 seconds if you kept getting the handouts we finance. If your state vanished, how long would it be before anybody outside its borders would even KNOW it was missing?
Mike Toreno
8 years ago
Dirtslide? Desertslide?
Mike Toreno
8 years ago
How is that any kind of attack? “Delusional” is a factual statement (wrong, but it makes a claim about the validity of your opinion, and if the claim were true, rather than idiotic, it would carry some weight). Calling you a “city dweller” isn’t an attack by any rational perspective. It’s like dcnj is saying you’re smarter, better informed, and in general a better human being than he is.
Mike Toreno
8 years ago
Says the loser whose state’s economy is supported by federal handouts financed by Californians.
John_HD
8 years ago
It ignores the obvious racial component by simply looking at Trump states vs Ciinton states. Mississippi has the highest black percentage of any state. Louisiana and Georgia aren’t far behind. You can stick your heads in the sand about that, but blacks use welfare at much higher rates than whites do, regardless of whether they are in Trump states or Clinton states, so whichever states have high percentages of blacks will reflect high welfare usage. Has nothing to do with being Trump supporters.
This is wrong depending by what metric you are addressing. A larger percentage of Blacks use welfare, but when taking into account proportion of overall population , more white people actually use welfare. You actually also consider, there is still employment discrimination, wage discrimination, and many cases restrictive barriers to black communities, even though it’s illegal to do so.
In the States in question, all races are still more or less poor.
What you consider “discrimination”, I call underachievement. Blacks on average graduate from high school with an eight grade reading and math level. That, Young Lehner, is the big discriminator. Taking your logic, I would say that the NFL discriminates against Hispanic and Asian men because both groups are underrepresented.
Yes, but the areas designated as the places you don’t want to be when TSHTF has high black populations. Just look a the Mississippi area, only the Delta and Jackson, which have very high black populations, are in the high risk area, the rest of the state is low risk. This is a no brainer, high minority, high risk. Mostly white, low risk.
Before anyone calls me a racist for pointing out the obvious walk down any Martin Luther King Blvd. on a saturday night, then if you aren’t in the hospital or dead you can respond.
Yes, so you’re admitting that the arguments people on the left make about ‘if you’re against (so called) poverty measures from the government, you’re racist’ are utterly laughable, correct?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Poverty measures AS WRITTEN, by and large are discriminatory, and focused upon punishing minorities on assistance more than whites on assistance. The key is “As written.”
Don Wright
8 years ago
This map ilustrates exactly the reason that the framers instituted the electoral college… To prevent a city or a region (no matter how densley populated) from dominating our country…
You’re using the wrong descriptives. A liberal is someone who believes in freedom and inequality. Sometimes, that definition can be that of a conservative. The other definition is someone who has a belief in changing the status Quo. That can be a conservative too,
Progressive vs Conservative are the terms you’re looking for, and tbh, this year the Trump voters are the liberals by either definition.
you might want to pay attention and notice that you’re speaking with mostly americans in this thread and that your usage of “liberal” is confusing. In the usa a liberal is someone very uncomfortable with inequality, in general.
Like most bullies, conservatives tend to go after those least able to protect themselves. The poor are easy targets. If you think your masters will be grateful for your loyalty, you’re mistaken. They believe that what standard of living we do hold is not the product of our labors, but only of their generosity. A perverse mindset constantly reinforced by mouth-breathers like you. They expect YOU to be grateful. Only in America would people cling so desperately to their own oppression. When at last your freedoms are gone, it won’t be because they were taken from you. It will be because you sold them for a pittance.
Robert James
8 years ago
Wow…….. someone who understands the word “jibes”. I thought I was the only one. Certainly nobody in the MSM knows this word. I’ll bet you know the difference between tack and tact. Perhaps yachting is too closely associated with white privilege for progressives to make sense of it.
mark Jawsz
8 years ago
This is a great discussion with both Trumplanders and Clinton Islanders making some valid points. But as far as crime and welfare usage in the South goes, you liberals have to know that MUCH of that is due to the large black population, which you all know, votes 90 to 95% Democratic. So I ask you kindly and in as a genteel manner as I can possibly do so, to shut the fuck up about welfare usage in the South. If the South saps off the federal government in terms of tax dollars, it is primarily because of the black population.
Mark Belk
8 years ago
The areas designated as the places you don’t want to be when TSHTF has high black populations. Just look a the Mississippi area, only the Delta and Jackson, which have very high black populations, are in the high risk area, the rest of the state is low risk. This is a no brainer, high minority, high risk. Mostly white, low risk.
Before anyone calls me a racist for pointing out the obvious walk down any Martin Luther King Blvd. on a saturday night, then if you aren’t in the hospital or dead you can respond.
magilla gorilla
8 years ago
you funny, syria had not a civil war. it was a foreign army that invaded and was supported by obama. get that straight. the reason was assad denied the obama/clinton backers a pipeline.
there will not be a civil war here in usa over this election. i do hope california accomplishes secession though. that would turn the rest of the nation red for a very long time
Syria ABSOLUTELY had a civil war. The pipeline conspiracy theory is a Kremlin-produced fiction designed to discredit the opposition and justify Russia’s intervention. The entire pipeline doesn’t make sense: why the hell would Qatar/Saudi Arabia need a pipeline to Europe when they have the U.S. Navy keeping the Strait of Hormuz wide open? Beyond the fact that they’ve already got a (closed) pipeline between KSA and Turkey via Iraq that just needs negotiations to reopen. This entire bullshit line was invented by the GlobalResearch.ca/InfoWars/Putin intel services to dupe people into thinking that a civil war, which is full of complicated moving parts, can be started on the whim of great powers.
Consider that fallacy: if the West can start civil wars on a dime, why can’t it stop them too?
And consider this: you’re basically arguing that Syrians are nothing more than little children at the mercy of the West, easily manipulable and without human agency to do what they wanted.
Syrian’s own people began the civil war: it was retaliation for Assad’s troops killing protesters and refusing to step aside, as Mubarak did in Egypt. It has been fueled by the outside – for both sides – but let’s not pretend Qatari intel went into Syria and invented hatred for Assad just because he nixed a pipeline deal. Assad earned that well-deserved hatred all on his own.
you so dumb. why did syria want russia and not usa inside. why were all the opposition forces non syrian. you are just not informed or informed by the white helmet propaganda.
it is no secret that the usa alone paid a british pr firm 650million to pump out anti assad stuff.
if you had any clue you would also know that of all mid east leaders assad is the most moderate, with many christian peoople living peacfully within syria.
also if you had been paying attn. you would have seen the chemical weapons used were used against assad, not by him. and the weapons came from libya after natos great work there. from libya into turkey then used against assad in damascus. even your propaganda group the un found that.
So yeah, Assad used chemical weapons; that’s a matter of record. Do provide a link from the UN that says otherwise. All other sources, including RT, are invalid, because you’re saying the UN proves your point.
sir or ma’am. i wish you luck in your future attempts at understanding geopolitical events.
did libya, iraq, afganistan, ukraine, crimea, egypt all happen on their own? study up on us intervention into foreign govts. much of it is now unclassified. there is a wealth of understanding that can be had from studying some of the unclassified stuff from s and central america.
There are things that are on record – such as the Pinchot intervention – and things that are not – such as your accusation that the Syrian uprising began as anything but an indigenous rebellion against a long-standing corrupt government inspired by similar uprisings during the Arab Spring. If you have any reputable .org, .edu, .gov, .mil, or any similar sources that can prove your assertion, I’d be happy to listen. But I was in the Middle East when the rebellion began; I find it ludicrous in the extreme to think the US has the power to inspire an uprising among a contented people.
knuckehead, thats why there are so many foreign fighters over there. but really, do you think the us could drum up some losers here in usa? like maybe blm folks.
Define “so many.” Give a number. As far as I’ve found, most rebel groups – and there may be up to 1,200 of them – are homegrown, radicalized over the course of 5 years of intentional slaughter by the Assad regime and the Russian armed forces. Here’s a list of them from a reputable source: http://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/syrian-opposition-guide
Additionally, I don’t think the U.S. government is so powerful or so smart that it can produce a civil war from nothing. These rebels groups *are* armed by the outside, just as Assad is armed by the Russians, since Syria has no defense industry to speak of. But these rebel groups are *not* motivated by some CIA station chief; their motive originally was to overthrow a corrupt, inept dictatorship, and they believed it would be easy, as Hosni Mubarak’s overthrow had been.
here you go again, you can cite possible real, possible fake information, but you can not justify the us being involved in syria. i am not going to write a book for you, but your understanding of syria is limited by something which prevents you from admitting it is an illegal, immoral, illegitimate war by nato/usa against assad not for how people there are treated…(only the most foolish and gullible would entertain that ruse).
if poorly treated people were the issue hundreds of countries would be rescued by america first. iraq got a great rescue…or did you forget??
you dont want to call it what it is. that is clear. why you dont that is not clear. do you work for or would you have benefited from a pipeline through syria? how bout iraq, did you benefit from that? libya? did you want to squish the creation of the gold currency enough to lie cheat steal murder? send weapons to one group of militants that sell them to others etc, until the us troops are getting hit with us weapons in afghanistan that were supplied by clinton to libyan rebels…
the amount of meddling over there has brought up a 6 trillion dollar tab, and there is nothing but death and destruction of people and culture to credit that spending, and that is just the opportunity cost at home. does not begin to account for the death horror murder destruction in the me, and the potentially anticipated migration of hostiles into europe and beyond.
you have chosen the wrong side to defend, big money, big death, nothing but horror to show…. that is unless you were getting those big contracts…
Values. Right. Another word for “I don’t know anything, but muh feelings.”
jasmine
8 years ago
using IDW for this is suspect, as the smoothing can cause all sorts of BS. I don’t trust any map that doesn’t give me at least a source for the original data. Also, I can tell you right now Florida is wrong.
Urethra Franklin
8 years ago
A+
Konserwatysta
8 years ago
Let me correct you on this>
Conservatives believe that most, if given a choice, would choose individual freedom, responsibility, and the inherent awards thereof rather than a handout. Most would prefer the dignity, respect, and challenge in providing for themselves and their families.
Liberals generally believe that most can’t make it without being involved in the collective, can’t recover on their own from life’s hardships, can’t plan ahead for such events, and need to be coddled by a big intrusive government. That they will be satisfied by scraps from the table in perpitude because some external, evil, force is keeping them from succeeding.
kev
8 years ago
You’re just throwing words, and not a single number. Trying to cloud the facts, doesn’t change them. Facts are not misleading, they’re just facts.
You throw corporate tax in there, but isn’t NY still way ahead even when taking corporate tax out of the equation? See, the facts don’t change.
NM is larger geographically, so you need to build a longer highway. But in NYC for example it will cost many times more to build the same highway. Costly labor, very costly materials and transportation. Takes much longer to build since you have to account for traffic headaches. Costly planning etc etc. Building anything in NYC is costlier than almost anywhere in the world.
Federal land maintenance doesn’t fall on NM and doesn’t play any part on these figures we’re talking about.
And to come back to the points I was talking about, where I was replying to previous comment, NY relies very little on other states, at least compared to those states.
kev
8 years ago
So you’re saying they balance their budgets thanks to the money that NY sends to the feds?
The 10 states receiving the most in federal aid as a percentage of their general revenue, in order, were:
Mississippi, 42.9% federal aid as percentage of general revenue
Louisiana, 41.9%
Tennessee, 39.5%
South Dakota, 39.0%
Missouri, 38.2%
Montana, 37.4%
Georgia, 37.3%
New Mexico, 36.6%
Alabama, 36.1%
Maine, 35.3%
I’m glad you are not able to read. I will make this short and concise for you in the hopes that something sticks.
I am saying they balance their budgets because the federal government promises things it cannot deliver within budget. They do not promise these things.
Further, Kevin, you should learn to read the articles that you post numbers from. Quite clearly stated by the Tax Foundation, whose numbers you are using, is that the largest causality between this is states that have low tax revenues.
Since you are clearly quite the simpleton, let me explain to you that when you reduce the denominator in a mathematical equation, the percentage automatically shoots up rather quickly, which is why I listed spending per capita.
For instance, if CT takes $7.9B in Medicaid which is federally funded (real number), but on the state level they tax the crap out of their citizens to the tune of $17B, then their denominator is much larger meaning the percentage is smaller. Still following?
Meanwhile, if MS only takes $5.1B in Medicaid (real number) but they do not tax the crap out of their citizens and only have revenues of $7.1B, then the percent of total revenue constituted by federal dollars will naturally be higher? Do you understand yet?
Further yet, Kevin, you should also learn that the numbers you are quoting (again Medicaid being the largest contributor if you had bothered to read the data set) are based off of things called National Poverty Levels. Unfortunately, what is Poverty in Connecticut, is not necessarily Poverty in Mississippi, which is why national poverty levels are quite the silly thing. You can live on $35k in Mississippi, whereas you cannot live on $35k anywhere in CT.
This is yet another reason why it’s important to look at things on a Per Capita basis, not a percentage basis.
And please, before you post something along the lines of, “So you admit that conservative states pay a lesser share towards Medicaid than blue states”.. The short answer is yes. The longer is yes because the National Poverty levels mentioned below are just that, silly National Poverty Levels. If you make $35k in Jackson, MI… you would need to make almost $62,000 in Bridgeport, CT to have the same lifestyle which is why Blue States tend to need to contribute more towards their Medicaid programs than what the federal will allow, because their cost of living is astronomical. Again, this is why federal aid programs, especially ones based off of a federal poverty level are silly and outdated. Both states offer coverage up to roughly 140% of FPL for a single adult, yet someone in MS making 140% of FPL is much less in need of the same level of coverage as someone making 140% of FPL in CT. Naturally, the State of Connecticut is going to have to cough up money to shore the difference because a hospital stay in MS is about half the cost as CT per day.
kev
8 years ago
NYC money is imaginary, but yet it helps farmers in the form of agriculture supplements? So i guess we do produce everything we eat and drink through the money we send other states who can’t produce anything affordable without those supplements.
If New York City evaporated in a meteor strike, then no more agriculture supplements, farms go bankrupt and you pay 10 times the price for grain and no 3rd world country would ever buy it.
kev
8 years ago
It’s easy to get in debt if you get paid less than what you pay. But moocher states that get 2-3 times of what they pay, can easily balance their budgets. Doesn’t that make sense? Those stats really are ridiculous and money is in fact not distributed fairly at all. Moocher states get an unfair cut and states that pay the most get ripped off.
So you’re blaming New York City’s debt on them not getting enough from the feds? LOL. That’s like me blaming my debt (as if I had debt) because my boss won’t give me a raise. You’re supposed to live within (or beneath) your means. In Tennessee, the commie liberals (every state has them) are always whining that we don’t do enough for the homeless, for the environment, for the poor, etc. Thank God we don’t! That’s why we’re an awesome State that attracts business, as oppose to a commie State like California and New York, that has to beg for business and loses it. Even Hollywood won’t shoot their stupid movies in California, look it up, most productions are in Canada and Mexico because it’s cheaper, because they don’t have to hire overpriced, union labor.
Making a mistake there. That’s like you blaming your debt because your boss pays you for 30 hours when you work 40.
And on the other hand your friend brags that he doesn’t have any debt because he work 40 hours but gets paid for 100 hours. And then accuses you of wasting your money.
You do know that Tennessee has one of the highest rates of food stamp recipients in the country right? 20% of population. Shocking right? Sounds very commie to me and very much like a moocher state. If you don’t want to work and want a handout instead, apparently you go to Tennessee.
You can’t compare the State to a worker. Jesus F. Christ, you’re like those government thugs that spend money and call it “investments.” They used to call it expenditures, but then Obama got elected and he changed the lingo, taxes for example became revenues. That’s like a man raping a woman and calling it sex.
So you can’t really blame TN if some of the moochers take advantage? At least in TN we don’t have rent control and State-based welfare programs. In New York, people get BOTH federal and State welfare.
Oh ok, since that’s a federal program, then I guess we should look at each states welfare spending. Surely TN can’t be a moocher state there. They only spend $2.5 billion on welfare for 6 million people, while NY spends $4.4 billion for 19 million people.
So do the math, add BOTH federal food stamps and if you’re able to do all those calculations, you should come to the conclusion that TN is one of the biggest moocher states in the country full of people that sit on their asses and live on handouts, while the rest of us work.
That only proves that NY has too many losers that refuse to work and are happy living off the government teat. You see, in TN it’s not that easy to be on welfare. We barely have public transportation, so everyone needs to work to afford an old car or a motorcycle or whatever they can get.
Besides, TN has a ton of corporations that have moved here- Amazon, Volkswagen, Nissan, even gun manufacturers that used to be in NY are moving to TN. Why be where people hate you when you can be in a welcoming environment?
I love the country, the real America. We’re the ones keeping you bastards fed, we’re the ones slaughtering your animals, growing the crops, working the rails, building the trucks, and doing the real jobs that keep America afloat. You are nothing without us.
Wall Street? Bah, America existed well enough without Wall Street, and thanks to the internet, trade can occur anywhere. If global warming left NYC under water, we’d be doing our trading in Chicago. No big deal.
state to worker comparison was yours. lol. now you just arguing yourself.
Since it’s FEDERAL is even more mooching than if it was your own money. TN can’t afford to help its people so they have to use use NY money from feds to feed them with food stamps.
Also news flash… In TN people get BOTH federal and State welfare. TN spend $2.2b in welfare. So they mooch on all sides.
Tennessee relied on federal assistance for 39.5 percent of its revenue in FY 2013, third largest share in the country. In terms you understand, that means 3rd biggest moochers in the country.
peen
8 years ago
2 million votes account for a city. The electoral college exists so that California and New York don’t dictate how the country is run. 2 million votes is not much, especially given that California gave licenses to illegal immigrants (people who elected to jump ahead of the millions of people around the world eager to make America their home) and allow them to vote. There had been approx. 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California per 2013. I wonder how many of them voted this past election.
Illegals can’t vote, the current count is 2.86 million, and hispanic people are traditionally very conservative anyway. That’s a 2.1% difference, which is actually quite a considerable amount in an election. You either need to come up with new numbers for your ridiculous conspiracy theory, or actually face facts that Trump wasn’t even close to being the most popular candidate.
Edit: Also, are you really upvoting your own comments?
False. Californians have no confidence in the honesty of the elections process.
The whole process needs to be investigated by the DOJ:
– from registering illegals at the DMV
– handing out DL’s that allow illegals to board planes and vote
– hundreds of thousands of dead or illegally registered voters
– missing ballots on election day
– illegal mailing of thousands of fraudulent ballots
– faulty voting equipment on election day
In addition, approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
Just because Trump made that claim does not make it so. You must substantiate such grand claims with actual evidence, not fantasyland circlejerk material. And LOL @ claiming it’s still rigged despite winning the election. Just ridiculous.
The 2016 CA Voting Rights Act duly passed by the CA Legislature and signed into law by Jerry Brown contains this key provision:
Any non citizen who is automatically registered by the expanded Motor Voter provision of the Act that casts a ballot/votes will have been presumed to have made an “error” and will not be prosecuted.
Thus the felony for voter fraud will not be enforced and the offender will not be prosecuted or fined.
Also, CBS News’ Los Angeles-based affiliate, KCAL-9, has determined that “hundreds” of dead people are still voting in California.
CA does nothing to properly maintain the voter rolls, as the recent expose of the dead voting in So Cal shows.
I’d also be happy to expand on the recent voter fraud evidence in Detroit, Michigan, where more votes had been counted than the number of people who had been marked as having voted across the city in 248 out of 662 precincts. I can kindly provide other instances of voter fraud in California if you’d like. Thoughts?
I mean, seriously, did you read any of that at all?
“Approximately 12.7 million records nationwide that appear to be out of date and no longer reflect the voter’s current information”
“More than 1.8 million records for people who are no longer living, but have registrations on voter rolls.”
“About 12 million records with incorrect addresses, indicating that either the voters have moved, or that errors in the information on file make it unlikely the Postal Service can reach them.”
“A voter could become registered in multiple states when she moves and reregisters— legally—without notifying her former state. Notice of this information would help a state keep accurate rolls by verifying residence and eligibility”
People are MOVING and DYING. That isn’t voter fraud. That’s just registration info not keeping up with current information. You’ll have to do MUCH better than that to actually prove widespread voter fraud (much less towards a single candidate, LOL).
Your candidate won the election and you fools are still screaming about it being rigged. Wake yourselves out of your stupor!
Precisely why the popular vote cannot be used to determine the president.
There’s a big difference this time.
– Hillary’s campaign manager emailed his approval for illegals to use their drivers licenses to vote
– A sitting Gov (CA) told illegals in his state it was ok to vote
– The sitting President (Obama) said he would not prosecute if illegals voted.
You must be a citizen to vote, PERIOD. If you’re talking about automatic registration at the DMV, automatic registration only applies to eligible citizens.
There’s no widespread voter fraud going on in either direction, what ridiculous and unfounded claims you or your type try to claim. Prove it or shut up.
When illegals get their drivers licenses they are automatically
registered to vote. There are three million illegals with drivers
licenses in California. Figure it out.
You define accuracy by how well it conforms to your world view
rather than how well it conforms to reality.
“There are three million illegals with drivers
licenses in California.”
Funny, because you just said a little farther back, “There had been approx. 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California per 2013.”
Pick a number!
“When illegals get their drivers licenses they are automatically
registered to vote.”
FALSE. No they aren’t. They only gain the privilege to drive. No other privileges are applied to them. This is clearly outlined if you’d bothered to read. Only ELIGIBLE CITIZENS are automatically registered (unless they opt out). It’s there in black and white. For example, green card holders can get driver’s licenses too, but they won’t be able to vote in federal elections. The same goes for anybody on parole (I believe, but at the least they can’t vote).
That’s reality. Do some reading. Start with the DMV website for California.
Thank you for bringing up the California DMV. California issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens, then California
registers all persons who received a license to vote AUTOMATICALLY. Cross referencing databases for voting purposes is not practiced in the CA DMV.
CA State Legislature is in open defiance of federal immigration law.
As for you, perhaps you can assure me that no voter fraud
occurred in the state of California. Given our Motor Voter laws, no required voter ID at the polls, and political fondness for local
sanctuaries for illegal immigrants, perhaps you can assert your allegations with some plausible evidence.
“Thank you for bringing up the California DMV. California issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens, then California registers all persons who received a license to vote AUTOMATICALLY. ”
You keep repeating this, but it’s simply NOT TRUE. You have to be already eligible to vote in order to be automatically registered. They know exactly who they’re handing a driver’s license to. How do you think illegals were rejected before they were allowed to acquire driver’s licenses? You’re just saying a bunch of unfounded nonsense.
“perhaps you can assert your allegations with some plausible evidence.”
The one who makes the claims is the one that needs the evidence. “Purple bears can fly. PROVE ME WRONG”, is not how it works. You’re making the following assertions:
– Illegals are being automatically registered to vote en masse in California
– All of them are getting driver’s licenses, and somehow by extension that means…
– All of them are voting
– All of them are voting for 1 candidate
– There’s mass voter fraud in general, and it’s being done by/for 1 party
There’s a lack of evidence to substantiate any of that. You’re just throwing some garbage around in an effort to make it appear as though Trump somehow won the popular vote. Furthermore, since the popular vote doesn’t matter for the outcome of a presidential election, and the fact that California was already overwhelmingly voting Democrat: why the hell would the DNC waste their efforts in a state that’s already basically won? You have absolutely zero ground for any of this speculation, including motive.
CherylJocobs
8 years ago
have you seen Europe in the news? Do you not think it will just get better if they stay the course? They already lost their heaviest hitter within the EU and it is only a matter of time till other countries follow.
Anyone that thinks we as a country cannot manufacture most of the goods we import I would have them take a look at the automotive industry. We make so many cars here, BMW, Toyota, KIA, VW, Hyundai all have facilities here. If the auto industry can do it so can other industries.
I assume by Europe you mean the UK?? I’m not really sure how many other countries will follow suit unless the Germans leave the EU or the UK is able to keep all of the benefits of membership. As it stands the UK might actually loose a lot of business if companies that use the UK as a gateway into the EU can no longer do that.
I would never argue that the US doesn’t have manufacturing capacity. We also have the resources to innovate cheaper manufacturing solutions and more efficient transportation and logistics pipelines. FWIW, even if we manufacture all the goods that we currently import that may not solve any problems unless we can produce and export a surplus and get people to buy that surplus. Yes the domestic population can buy the surplus but without rising wages, more equitable distribution of wealth…people can only afford so much which is why it’s best to have a global consumer base.
CherylJocobs
8 years ago
no dumbass, Im saying that if we didnt have the rest of the country we could get by just fine down here. Jesus, what fucking moron!
You haven’t proven shit. Provide me with evidence that says that Florida’s healthcare system, electrical grid, and transport infrastructure is maintained by people who did not get educated within large cities. Hell, provide me with evidence that said systems weren’t developed by thinkers within big cities.
And when I say “evidence,” I mean a LINK from a .gov, .edu, or a reputable .org, not some fake news website your cousin shared on Facebook.
I’m also guessing you don’t know what “autarchy” means. Go ahead and Google it; that one’s free.
jesus you are fucking weird. what the actual fuck are you saying? doesnt matter where or when now is now dumbass. didnt know we were talking about a stupid fantasyland you have in your head where we restart humanity and restart schooling. jesus you are a dumbfuck.
Wowza. I really hope other people are noticing you’re thick. You’re very, very thick. Do you know what that word means? You should Google it. It means you’re thick.
And you’re probably right: war is fought by specialists, not the masses, these days.
CherylJocobs
8 years ago
no, not at all. pointing out how bad Detroit has been represented by the “largesse of Blue States”. Does that stay on “topic” enough for you to follow?
so when does the “reality community” start advocating genetic engineering or eugenics to cleanse the race of those defective conservatives ? Since “decent human beings” like Peter Singer are in favor of even infanticide, when are the “empathy people” getting started with the killing of little conservatives under 5 years old ? I mean it’d be for their own good anyways because they are sick, diseased people (but people who cycle thru 36 genders are totally ok)
ogunsiron
8 years ago
rightwing ppl need to reappropriate science/tech/math/etc. Up until the 1960s there were tons of rightwing and conservative people even in the humanities and arts.
Well, you can’t deny that universities are just state sponsored indoctrination centers now. After attending college again after 20 years, I can’t believe what I saw and heard.
Apart from a major plague or new world war, I don’t know what can change where we are heading.
Mass defunding of the humanities and social sciences must become a priority. Culture war must become smarter and more ruthless. Defund the universities ! Not because we hate knowledge but because we have no obligation to buy the current academics’ product which is poisonous for us. I have nothing against humanities and social science. I dont think they’re useless. I do think they need to be rebooted and that most of academia in the current_year belongs in the trash bin of history.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
and I say that one should also use race/ethnicity data. Why not ? Would that remove any information ? Would that add information ? It probably would add information. I want to see per capita welfare use for (red states with a high black pop) vs ( red states with a low black pop) vs (blue states with a high black pop) vs (blue states with a low black pop). I want to see the data broken down at the county level, too.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
oh yeah because my mom = every woman. I guess I should respect even women who kill their kids because they could be my mom and if my mom killed a kid I have to respect her because she’s my mom or something.
I have a feeling that my mom doesn’t think people need to respect her *just because she has a vagina*.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
lol someone is not happy that his snopes/rationalwiki/wired/cnn isn’t taken as a gospel anymore
I’m not happy that shitbags are able to stream YouTube video and influence geopolitical policy without any evidence.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
what do you have against black christians ? You know, those really religious people among whom no atheists are found ? bet you didn’t think of that one, “reality based decent human being” lol
you said the bible nest is worst than anyone wrt herpes/crime/welfare. You clearly have in mind “white christians = worst social indices”. Just thought i’d remind you that in general blacks are even more christians than whites. Funny how quickly “smart secular” folks forget that. Maybe it makes you guys uncomfortable lol
ogunsiron
8 years ago
funny how the i_heart_science crowd is totally Ok with IQ when some study “proves” that WHITE conservatives are dumb but any study that has to do with the low IQs of people other than white conservatives is “pseudoscience” lol
You seriously want to see a map of low IQ superimposed upon a map of hillary landslide counties ? please someone do it!
ogunsiron
8 years ago
are detroit and baltimore part of high IQ land or low IQ land ? are you shortcircuiting right now ?
ogunsiron
8 years ago
Pam, the most important thing you need to grasp is that “people” like sleestakJones are on the enemy team. He hates you, your family and your church with a passion that you can’t understand, even though you’ve done nothing to him.
People like you need to find a way to part ways with him and his ilk. Radically. Don’t be afraid. The great american cities and the america that used to be great was built by folks like you, your family and the people in your church. That’s right. This *doesn’t need to be a country vs city thing* because there was a time when country americans liked their city cousins and vice versa.
The city is now full of “rootless cosmopolitans” like sleestakJones who go out of their way to harm you (for racial reasons mostly). There needs to be an america wide movement to completely sever ties with ppl like him.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
i thought gentrification was a bad thing. why do you want to turn these vibrant places into productive lands when the current vibrant inhabitants don’t want to ?
ogunsiron
8 years ago
or farmers could get really deep into identity and decide that they don’t want their enemy’s money and that they’d rather have you all “reality based, i fcking ove science” people die off.
In this very thread you “decent human beings” are calling white working class or rural people “outdated farm equipment”. Nice of you to speak truly and freely.
It’s absurdly simplistic to act as if large groups of people are homogeneous, as you are. I didn’t call anyone”outdated farm equipment”. One person, out of the hundreds who’ve commented here, said that.
Similarly, “farmers” aren’t a homogeneous mass who will all act in perfect unison.
Economics 101. The more farmers boycott the source of their own livelihood, the more profitable it becomes for the remaining farmers to sell to urbanites. A the opportunity for profit grows, the chances of defection increases.
It’s also ironic how many conservatives and Trump supporters criticize liberals for being too sensitive, yet you’re literally suggesting farmers should starve half the population just because they disagree with you. You triggered bro?
ogunsiron
8 years ago
i want those amounts plotted against “percent minority” where minority is defined as “black, alaskan native, native american, hispanic, ” = list of usually underperforming minorities.
*Pretty sure west virginia is the only legit example of a white moocher red state*.
Maine is pretty white too but it’d not a red state.
ogunsiron
8 years ago
poor little islamic state jihadis suffering under russian assault!
Poor little islamic state fighters getting micro-aggressed by homophobic russians who hate pussy riot! Those islamic state moderate juhadis are such nice guys are I’m so impressed that the “reality community” and the “decent human beings” in the west are on their side against the horrible russians who don’t like pussy riot!
damn it you uncovered me! now i have to use another russian ip address to conduct my hacking of the upcoming french and german elections! damn, you found me out! Gonna have to use another handle to organize those migrant rapes in germany and sweden! damn i need more rubbles!
ogunsiron
8 years ago
yeah because your hostility towards trump voters (whom you imagine as WHITE) isn’t required in order to remain a member in good standing of your tribe (“reality based decent human beings with a lot of empathy bayesian rationalist polyamorous geek I_fucking_love_science cargo cultists”). Like you could really keep your friends while not hating trump voters. lol
yeah yeah could have should have could be …. but wasn’t so irrelevant lol
ehsfb2001
8 years ago
This seems impressive if you ignore the fact that it has nothing to do with population. A huge county in Wyoming with 300 people in it looks more impressive than a county in California with 3 million in it.
David Brooks was a prominent leader of the NEVER TRUMP movement. George Will left the Republican Party because it nominated Trump. These men are not part of TrumpLand.
You mean that “on the grid” illegals hoard in sanctuary cities?
Not surprised.
Most illegals, however, are not on the grid. If it was as easy as a Google search to find where they live then Trump would have a very easy time rounding them up for deportation.
No it wouldn’t. Do you think Trump just has God powers and when he says round them up for deportation that people just listen?? Sorry to break it to you but he doesn’t. Not to mention, Trump is not the President yet. Also, many people are opposed to the mass deportation of illegals and many are willing to take measure to protect those people and stop higher powers from making that happen.
(1) That was my point. Making a claim from Google on where illegals leave would require data to exist that doesn’t exist.
If it did exist, roundups and deportations would be easy. The data does not exist, which is why deportations will be hard once we are past those who we do have data on (those with criminal records).
(2) Yes, if Trump tells law enforcement to enforce our immigration laws they will just listen. If they don’t, they will be fired and replaced.
(3) Will some try to stop or prevent law enforcement from enforcing our laws? Certainly. Thankfully, that is a crime for which they can be arrested.
But data does exist. I don’t know how they got the data. Maybe it’s not entirely accurate, but I can imagine there being ways of figuring it out through indirect evidence.
The hard part of deportations is not knowing whether and where it exists. That is known to a high degree of certainty. It’s known where the sanctuary cities are, it’s known that leaders of those cities have mostly spoken out against deportations.
The hard part will be the execution. It’s not a simple matter of well if law enforcement doesn’t follow the law then arrest them. Rarely does law enforcement just follow the law of the land to the book. They make judgement calls as to what is really important. And a lot of that will have to do with what local leaders have to say. If there is no local buy in then it will be hard for much deportation to happen.
They got the data from the cities that openly offer benefits to illegals and thus have illegals living on the grid.
These are colloquially called “sanctuary cities.”
As for law enforcement not following the law, when they are directly instructed to enforce a law, they enforce that law. We also have an entire federal agency dedicated to such things.
You say you are belittling my lack or reason, but the attached argument is a straw man.
The proof is in the maps above. One of those maps leaves a viable nation, the other does not.
You act like Syria isn’t a place you can walk across in a few days.
Moreover, most of the country is unpopulated desert.
There is really only a strip of life along the western side of the nation and down the river banks.
Maybe you should look at Syria for awhile.
Also, isn’t Aleppo also a city (the center of the Rebel’s power)?
The only worthy goal in the world is to save all the people. To that end, the idle man on the farm is a waste of timespace. Farming and all work done by man inefficiently serves the few, that is why we automate. Don’t worry about your measly paycheck and think of all others at once.
No, the only worthy goal in the world is to save humanity.
Saving “all the people” is a false promise that can only exist in the pipe dreams of liberals.
Automation is well and good and agriculture has been automating from the plow to the combine, but it is still a labor intensive task because you are dealing with nature – and nature is variable (and variability is the enemy of automation).
Glad you are willing to share your ideas, most silent Trump voters are too scared to talk about anything in public.
Anyways, people vs humanity is a glorious heavenly distinction, to a retard. You would prefer the cloudy undefinable mist of “humanity”. I mean, how dare you get specific and pragmatic enough to envision a single human face that doesn’t come from your incestuous family and circle jerk friend circle. The only experience with automation you have is failing to program your VCR correctly.
You still have a VCR to program? Hahahahahahaha!
If you are going to insult someone for being a straw haired yokel, maybe you shouldn’t do that over the internet.
Insults are what the internet was built for.
Pretty sure it had more to do with firing a rocket in Nebraska and having it hit Moscow with no means to move it once it fires.
Covert military communications later brought into academia by those same nuclear and rocket physicists.
Ah, there are two Cumberland Islands, I didn’t notice that. I live on the one in Michigan, which is Wayne and Washtenaw (and perhaps Oakland and Genesee) counties. Not a Cumberland to be found.
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This is now. It’s not about the future. I can think of three reasons for today’s Democrats being in cites: (1) graduates of liberal schools get the bureaucrat jobs that are concentrated in cities and those people donate to democrats and support them, (2) welfare recipients are concentrated in cities and they vote for free stuff, and (3) city residents depend heavily on government services for utilities, buses, recreation, and schools so they come to believe government is the answer to everything. A way forward would be: (1) telecommuting to diffuse the population, (2) Uber and other private transportation services,(3) school choice, and (4) welfare reform.
Ogocaca
Hahahahahahaha. The freeloader state you live in would collapse in 3 seconds if you kept getting the handouts we finance. If your state vanished, how long would it be before anybody outside its borders would even KNOW it was missing?
Dirtslide? Desertslide?
How is that any kind of attack? “Delusional” is a factual statement (wrong, but it makes a claim about the validity of your opinion, and if the claim were true, rather than idiotic, it would carry some weight). Calling you a “city dweller” isn’t an attack by any rational perspective. It’s like dcnj is saying you’re smarter, better informed, and in general a better human being than he is.
Says the loser whose state’s economy is supported by federal handouts financed by Californians.
It ignores the obvious racial component by simply looking at Trump states vs Ciinton states. Mississippi has the highest black percentage of any state. Louisiana and Georgia aren’t far behind. You can stick your heads in the sand about that, but blacks use welfare at much higher rates than whites do, regardless of whether they are in Trump states or Clinton states, so whichever states have high percentages of blacks will reflect high welfare usage. Has nothing to do with being Trump supporters.
This is wrong depending by what metric you are addressing. A larger percentage of Blacks use welfare, but when taking into account proportion of overall population , more white people actually use welfare. You actually also consider, there is still employment discrimination, wage discrimination, and many cases restrictive barriers to black communities, even though it’s illegal to do so.
In the States in question, all races are still more or less poor.
What you consider “discrimination”, I call underachievement. Blacks on average graduate from high school with an eight grade reading and math level. That, Young Lehner, is the big discriminator. Taking your logic, I would say that the NFL discriminates against Hispanic and Asian men because both groups are underrepresented.
Yes, but the areas designated as the places you don’t want to be when TSHTF has high black populations. Just look a the Mississippi area, only the Delta and Jackson, which have very high black populations, are in the high risk area, the rest of the state is low risk. This is a no brainer, high minority, high risk. Mostly white, low risk.
Before anyone calls me a racist for pointing out the obvious walk down any Martin Luther King Blvd. on a saturday night, then if you aren’t in the hospital or dead you can respond.
Yes, so you’re admitting that the arguments people on the left make about ‘if you’re against (so called) poverty measures from the government, you’re racist’ are utterly laughable, correct?
The two are not mutually exclusive. Poverty measures AS WRITTEN, by and large are discriminatory, and focused upon punishing minorities on assistance more than whites on assistance. The key is “As written.”
This map ilustrates exactly the reason that the framers instituted the electoral college… To prevent a city or a region (no matter how densley populated) from dominating our country…
Here’s Crime Land
http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Fi2.wp.com%2Fwww.bookwormroom.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F12%2FElection-crime-map-mimics-Hillary-voter-map.jpg%3Fw%3D960%3AKuj7xfWGZ4VPSwo0uyfmg93CZDU&cuid=4549889
You’re using the wrong descriptives. A liberal is someone who believes in freedom and inequality. Sometimes, that definition can be that of a conservative. The other definition is someone who has a belief in changing the status Quo. That can be a conservative too,
Progressive vs Conservative are the terms you’re looking for, and tbh, this year the Trump voters are the liberals by either definition.
you might want to pay attention and notice that you’re speaking with mostly americans in this thread and that your usage of “liberal” is confusing. In the usa a liberal is someone very uncomfortable with inequality, in general.
Like most bullies, conservatives tend to go after those least able to protect themselves. The poor are easy targets. If you think your masters will be grateful for your loyalty, you’re mistaken. They believe that what standard of living we do hold is not the product of our labors, but only of their generosity. A perverse mindset constantly reinforced by mouth-breathers like you. They expect YOU to be grateful. Only in America would people cling so desperately to their own oppression. When at last your freedoms are gone, it won’t be because they were taken from you. It will be because you sold them for a pittance.
Wow…….. someone who understands the word “jibes”. I thought I was the only one. Certainly nobody in the MSM knows this word. I’ll bet you know the difference between tack and tact. Perhaps yachting is too closely associated with white privilege for progressives to make sense of it.
This is a great discussion with both Trumplanders and Clinton Islanders making some valid points. But as far as crime and welfare usage in the South goes, you liberals have to know that MUCH of that is due to the large black population, which you all know, votes 90 to 95% Democratic. So I ask you kindly and in as a genteel manner as I can possibly do so, to shut the fuck up about welfare usage in the South. If the South saps off the federal government in terms of tax dollars, it is primarily because of the black population.
The areas designated as the places you don’t want to be when TSHTF has high black populations. Just look a the Mississippi area, only the Delta and Jackson, which have very high black populations, are in the high risk area, the rest of the state is low risk. This is a no brainer, high minority, high risk. Mostly white, low risk.
Before anyone calls me a racist for pointing out the obvious walk down any Martin Luther King Blvd. on a saturday night, then if you aren’t in the hospital or dead you can respond.
you funny, syria had not a civil war. it was a foreign army that invaded and was supported by obama. get that straight. the reason was assad denied the obama/clinton backers a pipeline.
there will not be a civil war here in usa over this election. i do hope california accomplishes secession though. that would turn the rest of the nation red for a very long time
Syria ABSOLUTELY had a civil war. The pipeline conspiracy theory is a Kremlin-produced fiction designed to discredit the opposition and justify Russia’s intervention. The entire pipeline doesn’t make sense: why the hell would Qatar/Saudi Arabia need a pipeline to Europe when they have the U.S. Navy keeping the Strait of Hormuz wide open? Beyond the fact that they’ve already got a (closed) pipeline between KSA and Turkey via Iraq that just needs negotiations to reopen. This entire bullshit line was invented by the GlobalResearch.ca/InfoWars/Putin intel services to dupe people into thinking that a civil war, which is full of complicated moving parts, can be started on the whim of great powers.
Consider that fallacy: if the West can start civil wars on a dime, why can’t it stop them too?
And consider this: you’re basically arguing that Syrians are nothing more than little children at the mercy of the West, easily manipulable and without human agency to do what they wanted.
Syrian’s own people began the civil war: it was retaliation for Assad’s troops killing protesters and refusing to step aside, as Mubarak did in Egypt. It has been fueled by the outside – for both sides – but let’s not pretend Qatari intel went into Syria and invented hatred for Assad just because he nixed a pipeline deal. Assad earned that well-deserved hatred all on his own.
you so dumb. why did syria want russia and not usa inside. why were all the opposition forces non syrian. you are just not informed or informed by the white helmet propaganda.
it is no secret that the usa alone paid a british pr firm 650million to pump out anti assad stuff.
if you had any clue you would also know that of all mid east leaders assad is the most moderate, with many christian peoople living peacfully within syria.
also if you had been paying attn. you would have seen the chemical weapons used were used against assad, not by him. and the weapons came from libya after natos great work there. from libya into turkey then used against assad in damascus. even your propaganda group the un found that.
Here’s something that’s not a secret: the UN saying that both Assad and ISIL used chemical weapons. http://www.un.org/apps/news/story.asp?NewsID=54795#.WGfuoqIrI8Y
So yeah, Assad used chemical weapons; that’s a matter of record. Do provide a link from the UN that says otherwise. All other sources, including RT, are invalid, because you’re saying the UN proves your point.
sir or ma’am. i wish you luck in your future attempts at understanding geopolitical events.
did libya, iraq, afganistan, ukraine, crimea, egypt all happen on their own? study up on us intervention into foreign govts. much of it is now unclassified. there is a wealth of understanding that can be had from studying some of the unclassified stuff from s and central america.
There are things that are on record – such as the Pinchot intervention – and things that are not – such as your accusation that the Syrian uprising began as anything but an indigenous rebellion against a long-standing corrupt government inspired by similar uprisings during the Arab Spring. If you have any reputable .org, .edu, .gov, .mil, or any similar sources that can prove your assertion, I’d be happy to listen. But I was in the Middle East when the rebellion began; I find it ludicrous in the extreme to think the US has the power to inspire an uprising among a contented people.
knuckehead, thats why there are so many foreign fighters over there. but really, do you think the us could drum up some losers here in usa? like maybe blm folks.
get your head on straight
Define “so many.” Give a number. As far as I’ve found, most rebel groups – and there may be up to 1,200 of them – are homegrown, radicalized over the course of 5 years of intentional slaughter by the Assad regime and the Russian armed forces. Here’s a list of them from a reputable source: http://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/syrian-opposition-guide
Additionally, I don’t think the U.S. government is so powerful or so smart that it can produce a civil war from nothing. These rebels groups *are* armed by the outside, just as Assad is armed by the Russians, since Syria has no defense industry to speak of. But these rebel groups are *not* motivated by some CIA station chief; their motive originally was to overthrow a corrupt, inept dictatorship, and they believed it would be easy, as Hosni Mubarak’s overthrow had been.
The original rebellion began in Daraa, where some kids were arrested and brutally murdered by regime forces for spraying anti-Assad graffiti. Here’s a source for that too: https://news.vice.com/article/the-young-men-who-started-syrias-revolution-speak-about-daraa-where-it-all-began
The protests were large and overwhelmingly peaceful until May 2011, when the regime ordered tanks to Daraa. Here’s another source detailing the civil uprising phase that spring: http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Struggle_For_Syria.pdf
Assad then intentionally radicalized the opposition: first, he released radicals from prison (source here: http://www.thenational.ae/world/syria/assad-regime-set-free-extremists-from-prison-to-fire-up-trouble-during-peaceful-uprising); then, he ordered his troops to kill indiscriminately to force a sectarian reaction (source here: https://www.newsdeeply.com/syria/articles/2014/12/10/rebel-groups-face-a-three-front-fight-against-assad-isis-and-jabhat-al-nusra)
I’ve provided you with multiple sources from varying countries, backgrounds, and HTMLs. Can you provide me with anything beyond RT talking points?
here you go again, you can cite possible real, possible fake information, but you can not justify the us being involved in syria. i am not going to write a book for you, but your understanding of syria is limited by something which prevents you from admitting it is an illegal, immoral, illegitimate war by nato/usa against assad not for how people there are treated…(only the most foolish and gullible would entertain that ruse).
if poorly treated people were the issue hundreds of countries would be rescued by america first. iraq got a great rescue…or did you forget??
you dont want to call it what it is. that is clear. why you dont that is not clear. do you work for or would you have benefited from a pipeline through syria? how bout iraq, did you benefit from that? libya? did you want to squish the creation of the gold currency enough to lie cheat steal murder? send weapons to one group of militants that sell them to others etc, until the us troops are getting hit with us weapons in afghanistan that were supplied by clinton to libyan rebels…
the amount of meddling over there has brought up a 6 trillion dollar tab, and there is nothing but death and destruction of people and culture to credit that spending, and that is just the opportunity cost at home. does not begin to account for the death horror murder destruction in the me, and the potentially anticipated migration of hostiles into europe and beyond.
you have chosen the wrong side to defend, big money, big death, nothing but horror to show…. that is unless you were getting those big contracts…
So you have no evidence, no sources, no experience. So you don’t know anything. Got it.
right. you got no values or neocon globalist values and fake news to disguise brash ignorance.
It’s like you don’t know what words mean. As if you can’t just Google “ignorance” and figure out it means lack of knowledge.
eating an elephant. your ignorance will represent the elephant,
first bite.
has the usa had military personnel on the ground in the foreign sovereign nation of syria?
Wuuuuuuttttttttttttttttt are you talking about.
Values. Right. Another word for “I don’t know anything, but muh feelings.”
using IDW for this is suspect, as the smoothing can cause all sorts of BS. I don’t trust any map that doesn’t give me at least a source for the original data. Also, I can tell you right now Florida is wrong.
A+
Let me correct you on this>
Conservatives believe that most, if given a choice, would choose individual freedom, responsibility, and the inherent awards thereof rather than a handout. Most would prefer the dignity, respect, and challenge in providing for themselves and their families.
Liberals generally believe that most can’t make it without being involved in the collective, can’t recover on their own from life’s hardships, can’t plan ahead for such events, and need to be coddled by a big intrusive government. That they will be satisfied by scraps from the table in perpitude because some external, evil, force is keeping them from succeeding.
You’re just throwing words, and not a single number. Trying to cloud the facts, doesn’t change them. Facts are not misleading, they’re just facts.
You throw corporate tax in there, but isn’t NY still way ahead even when taking corporate tax out of the equation? See, the facts don’t change.
NM is larger geographically, so you need to build a longer highway. But in NYC for example it will cost many times more to build the same highway. Costly labor, very costly materials and transportation. Takes much longer to build since you have to account for traffic headaches. Costly planning etc etc. Building anything in NYC is costlier than almost anywhere in the world.
Federal land maintenance doesn’t fall on NM and doesn’t play any part on these figures we’re talking about.
And to come back to the points I was talking about, where I was replying to previous comment, NY relies very little on other states, at least compared to those states.
So you’re saying they balance their budgets thanks to the money that NY sends to the feds?
The 10 states receiving the most in federal aid as a percentage of their general revenue, in order, were:
Mississippi, 42.9% federal aid as percentage of general revenue
Louisiana, 41.9%
Tennessee, 39.5%
South Dakota, 39.0%
Missouri, 38.2%
Montana, 37.4%
Georgia, 37.3%
New Mexico, 36.6%
Alabama, 36.1%
Maine, 35.3%
I’m glad you are not able to read. I will make this short and concise for you in the hopes that something sticks.
I am saying they balance their budgets because the federal government promises things it cannot deliver within budget. They do not promise these things.
Further, Kevin, you should learn to read the articles that you post numbers from. Quite clearly stated by the Tax Foundation, whose numbers you are using, is that the largest causality between this is states that have low tax revenues.
Since you are clearly quite the simpleton, let me explain to you that when you reduce the denominator in a mathematical equation, the percentage automatically shoots up rather quickly, which is why I listed spending per capita.
For instance, if CT takes $7.9B in Medicaid which is federally funded (real number), but on the state level they tax the crap out of their citizens to the tune of $17B, then their denominator is much larger meaning the percentage is smaller. Still following?
Meanwhile, if MS only takes $5.1B in Medicaid (real number) but they do not tax the crap out of their citizens and only have revenues of $7.1B, then the percent of total revenue constituted by federal dollars will naturally be higher? Do you understand yet?
Further yet, Kevin, you should also learn that the numbers you are quoting (again Medicaid being the largest contributor if you had bothered to read the data set) are based off of things called National Poverty Levels. Unfortunately, what is Poverty in Connecticut, is not necessarily Poverty in Mississippi, which is why national poverty levels are quite the silly thing. You can live on $35k in Mississippi, whereas you cannot live on $35k anywhere in CT.
This is yet another reason why it’s important to look at things on a Per Capita basis, not a percentage basis.
And please, before you post something along the lines of, “So you admit that conservative states pay a lesser share towards Medicaid than blue states”.. The short answer is yes. The longer is yes because the National Poverty levels mentioned below are just that, silly National Poverty Levels. If you make $35k in Jackson, MI… you would need to make almost $62,000 in Bridgeport, CT to have the same lifestyle which is why Blue States tend to need to contribute more towards their Medicaid programs than what the federal will allow, because their cost of living is astronomical. Again, this is why federal aid programs, especially ones based off of a federal poverty level are silly and outdated. Both states offer coverage up to roughly 140% of FPL for a single adult, yet someone in MS making 140% of FPL is much less in need of the same level of coverage as someone making 140% of FPL in CT. Naturally, the State of Connecticut is going to have to cough up money to shore the difference because a hospital stay in MS is about half the cost as CT per day.
NYC money is imaginary, but yet it helps farmers in the form of agriculture supplements? So i guess we do produce everything we eat and drink through the money we send other states who can’t produce anything affordable without those supplements.
If New York City evaporated in a meteor strike, then no more agriculture supplements, farms go bankrupt and you pay 10 times the price for grain and no 3rd world country would ever buy it.
It’s easy to get in debt if you get paid less than what you pay. But moocher states that get 2-3 times of what they pay, can easily balance their budgets. Doesn’t that make sense? Those stats really are ridiculous and money is in fact not distributed fairly at all. Moocher states get an unfair cut and states that pay the most get ripped off.
So you’re blaming New York City’s debt on them not getting enough from the feds? LOL. That’s like me blaming my debt (as if I had debt) because my boss won’t give me a raise. You’re supposed to live within (or beneath) your means. In Tennessee, the commie liberals (every state has them) are always whining that we don’t do enough for the homeless, for the environment, for the poor, etc. Thank God we don’t! That’s why we’re an awesome State that attracts business, as oppose to a commie State like California and New York, that has to beg for business and loses it. Even Hollywood won’t shoot their stupid movies in California, look it up, most productions are in Canada and Mexico because it’s cheaper, because they don’t have to hire overpriced, union labor.
Making a mistake there. That’s like you blaming your debt because your boss pays you for 30 hours when you work 40.
And on the other hand your friend brags that he doesn’t have any debt because he work 40 hours but gets paid for 100 hours. And then accuses you of wasting your money.
You do know that Tennessee has one of the highest rates of food stamp recipients in the country right? 20% of population. Shocking right? Sounds very commie to me and very much like a moocher state. If you don’t want to work and want a handout instead, apparently you go to Tennessee.
You can’t compare the State to a worker. Jesus F. Christ, you’re like those government thugs that spend money and call it “investments.” They used to call it expenditures, but then Obama got elected and he changed the lingo, taxes for example became revenues. That’s like a man raping a woman and calling it sex.
Besides, the food stamp program is a FEDERAL program.
https://www.benefits.gov/benefits/benefit-details/1344
So you can’t really blame TN if some of the moochers take advantage? At least in TN we don’t have rent control and State-based welfare programs. In New York, people get BOTH federal and State welfare.
lol the State to a worker comparison was yours.
Oh ok, since that’s a federal program, then I guess we should look at each states welfare spending. Surely TN can’t be a moocher state there. They only spend $2.5 billion on welfare for 6 million people, while NY spends $4.4 billion for 19 million people.
So do the math, add BOTH federal food stamps and if you’re able to do all those calculations, you should come to the conclusion that TN is one of the biggest moocher states in the country full of people that sit on their asses and live on handouts, while the rest of us work.
Or just live in your dreams of a hard working TN.
That only proves that NY has too many losers that refuse to work and are happy living off the government teat. You see, in TN it’s not that easy to be on welfare. We barely have public transportation, so everyone needs to work to afford an old car or a motorcycle or whatever they can get.
Besides, TN has a ton of corporations that have moved here- Amazon, Volkswagen, Nissan, even gun manufacturers that used to be in NY are moving to TN. Why be where people hate you when you can be in a welcoming environment?
I love the country, the real America. We’re the ones keeping you bastards fed, we’re the ones slaughtering your animals, growing the crops, working the rails, building the trucks, and doing the real jobs that keep America afloat. You are nothing without us.
Wall Street? Bah, America existed well enough without Wall Street, and thanks to the internet, trade can occur anywhere. If global warming left NYC under water, we’d be doing our trading in Chicago. No big deal.
state to worker comparison was yours. lol. now you just arguing yourself.
Since it’s FEDERAL is even more mooching than if it was your own money. TN can’t afford to help its people so they have to use use NY money from feds to feed them with food stamps.
Also news flash… In TN people get BOTH federal and State welfare. TN spend $2.2b in welfare. So they mooch on all sides.
Tennessee relied on federal assistance for 39.5 percent of its revenue in FY 2013, third largest share in the country. In terms you understand, that means 3rd biggest moochers in the country.
2 million votes account for a city. The electoral college exists so that California and New York don’t dictate how the country is run. 2 million votes is not much, especially given that California gave licenses to illegal immigrants (people who elected to jump ahead of the millions of people around the world eager to make America their home) and allow them to vote. There had been approx. 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California per 2013. I wonder how many of them voted this past election.
Illegals can’t vote, the current count is 2.86 million, and hispanic people are traditionally very conservative anyway. That’s a 2.1% difference, which is actually quite a considerable amount in an election. You either need to come up with new numbers for your ridiculous conspiracy theory, or actually face facts that Trump wasn’t even close to being the most popular candidate.
Edit: Also, are you really upvoting your own comments?
False. Californians have no confidence in the honesty of the elections process.
The whole process needs to be investigated by the DOJ:
– from registering illegals at the DMV
– handing out DL’s that allow illegals to board planes and vote
– hundreds of thousands of dead or illegally registered voters
– missing ballots on election day
– illegal mailing of thousands of fraudulent ballots
– faulty voting equipment on election day
In addition, approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state.
Just because Trump made that claim does not make it so. You must substantiate such grand claims with actual evidence, not fantasyland circlejerk material. And LOL @ claiming it’s still rigged despite winning the election. Just ridiculous.
I’d be happy to expand on my claims.
The 2016 CA Voting Rights Act duly passed by the CA Legislature and signed into law by Jerry Brown contains this key provision:
Any non citizen who is automatically registered by the expanded Motor Voter provision of the Act that casts a ballot/votes will have been presumed to have made an “error” and will not be prosecuted.
Thus the felony for voter fraud will not be enforced and the offender will not be prosecuted or fined.
Also, CBS News’ Los Angeles-based affiliate, KCAL-9, has determined that “hundreds” of dead people are still voting in California.
CA does nothing to properly maintain the voter rolls, as the recent expose of the dead voting in So Cal shows.
Here’s the article: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/11/07/only-on-2-nearly-280-votes-cast-in-2016-primary-by-people-who-are-dead/
Evidence that more than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters, and approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state: http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/pcs_assets/2012/pewupgradingvoterregistrationpdf.pdf
I’d also be happy to expand on the recent voter fraud evidence in Detroit, Michigan, where more votes had been counted than the number of people who had been marked as having voted across the city in 248 out of 662 precincts. I can kindly provide other instances of voter fraud in California if you’d like. Thoughts?
I mean, seriously, did you read any of that at all?
“Approximately 12.7 million records nationwide that appear to be out of date and no longer reflect the voter’s current information”
“More than 1.8 million records for people who are no longer living, but have registrations on voter rolls.”
“About 12 million records with incorrect addresses, indicating that either the voters have moved, or that errors in the information on file make it unlikely the Postal Service can reach them.”
“A voter could become registered in multiple states when she moves and reregisters— legally—without notifying her former state. Notice of this information would help a state keep accurate rolls by verifying residence and eligibility”
People are MOVING and DYING. That isn’t voter fraud. That’s just registration info not keeping up with current information. You’ll have to do MUCH better than that to actually prove widespread voter fraud (much less towards a single candidate, LOL).
Your candidate won the election and you fools are still screaming about it being rigged. Wake yourselves out of your stupor!
Precisely why the popular vote cannot be used to determine the president.
There’s a big difference this time.
– Hillary’s campaign manager emailed his approval for illegals to use their drivers licenses to vote
– A sitting Gov (CA) told illegals in his state it was ok to vote
– The sitting President (Obama) said he would not prosecute if illegals voted.
Nice copypasta from other users, on Breitbart no less. Go figure! However, that is not how voting works in California.
https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_in_California
You must be a citizen to vote, PERIOD. If you’re talking about automatic registration at the DMV, automatic registration only applies to eligible citizens.
There’s no widespread voter fraud going on in either direction, what ridiculous and unfounded claims you or your type try to claim. Prove it or shut up.
When illegals get their drivers licenses they are automatically
registered to vote. There are three million illegals with drivers
licenses in California. Figure it out.
You define accuracy by how well it conforms to your world view
rather than how well it conforms to reality.
“There are three million illegals with drivers
licenses in California.”
Funny, because you just said a little farther back, “There had been approx. 2.6 million illegal immigrants in California per 2013.”
Pick a number!
“When illegals get their drivers licenses they are automatically
registered to vote.”
FALSE. No they aren’t. They only gain the privilege to drive. No other privileges are applied to them. This is clearly outlined if you’d bothered to read. Only ELIGIBLE CITIZENS are automatically registered (unless they opt out). It’s there in black and white. For example, green card holders can get driver’s licenses too, but they won’t be able to vote in federal elections. The same goes for anybody on parole (I believe, but at the least they can’t vote).
That’s reality. Do some reading. Start with the DMV website for California.
Thank you for bringing up the California DMV. California issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens, then California
registers all persons who received a license to vote AUTOMATICALLY. Cross referencing databases for voting purposes is not practiced in the CA DMV.
CA State Legislature is in open defiance of federal immigration law.
As for you, perhaps you can assure me that no voter fraud
occurred in the state of California. Given our Motor Voter laws, no required voter ID at the polls, and political fondness for local
sanctuaries for illegal immigrants, perhaps you can assert your allegations with some plausible evidence.
“Thank you for bringing up the California DMV. California issues drivers licenses to illegal aliens, then California registers all persons who received a license to vote AUTOMATICALLY. ”
You keep repeating this, but it’s simply NOT TRUE. You have to be already eligible to vote in order to be automatically registered. They know exactly who they’re handing a driver’s license to. How do you think illegals were rejected before they were allowed to acquire driver’s licenses? You’re just saying a bunch of unfounded nonsense.
“perhaps you can assert your allegations with some plausible evidence.”
The one who makes the claims is the one that needs the evidence. “Purple bears can fly. PROVE ME WRONG”, is not how it works. You’re making the following assertions:
– Illegals are being automatically registered to vote en masse in California
– All of them are getting driver’s licenses, and somehow by extension that means…
– All of them are voting
– All of them are voting for 1 candidate
– There’s mass voter fraud in general, and it’s being done by/for 1 party
There’s a lack of evidence to substantiate any of that. You’re just throwing some garbage around in an effort to make it appear as though Trump somehow won the popular vote. Furthermore, since the popular vote doesn’t matter for the outcome of a presidential election, and the fact that California was already overwhelmingly voting Democrat: why the hell would the DNC waste their efforts in a state that’s already basically won? You have absolutely zero ground for any of this speculation, including motive.
have you seen Europe in the news? Do you not think it will just get better if they stay the course? They already lost their heaviest hitter within the EU and it is only a matter of time till other countries follow.
Anyone that thinks we as a country cannot manufacture most of the goods we import I would have them take a look at the automotive industry. We make so many cars here, BMW, Toyota, KIA, VW, Hyundai all have facilities here. If the auto industry can do it so can other industries.
I assume by Europe you mean the UK?? I’m not really sure how many other countries will follow suit unless the Germans leave the EU or the UK is able to keep all of the benefits of membership. As it stands the UK might actually loose a lot of business if companies that use the UK as a gateway into the EU can no longer do that.
I would never argue that the US doesn’t have manufacturing capacity. We also have the resources to innovate cheaper manufacturing solutions and more efficient transportation and logistics pipelines. FWIW, even if we manufacture all the goods that we currently import that may not solve any problems unless we can produce and export a surplus and get people to buy that surplus. Yes the domestic population can buy the surplus but without rising wages, more equitable distribution of wealth…people can only afford so much which is why it’s best to have a global consumer base.
no dumbass, Im saying that if we didnt have the rest of the country we could get by just fine down here. Jesus, what fucking moron!
You haven’t proven shit. Provide me with evidence that says that Florida’s healthcare system, electrical grid, and transport infrastructure is maintained by people who did not get educated within large cities. Hell, provide me with evidence that said systems weren’t developed by thinkers within big cities.
And when I say “evidence,” I mean a LINK from a .gov, .edu, or a reputable .org, not some fake news website your cousin shared on Facebook.
I’m also guessing you don’t know what “autarchy” means. Go ahead and Google it; that one’s free.
jesus you are fucking weird. what the actual fuck are you saying? doesnt matter where or when now is now dumbass. didnt know we were talking about a stupid fantasyland you have in your head where we restart humanity and restart schooling. jesus you are a dumbfuck.
Wowza. I really hope other people are noticing you’re thick. You’re very, very thick. Do you know what that word means? You should Google it. It means you’re thick.
Jesus Cheryl. It’s like you can’t Google something basic. Are you dumb or something?
nothing more than another ignorant liberal that thinks their way and their side is better, hows the view from the outside now?
go ahead and worry about something that will not happen again.
And you’re probably right: war is fought by specialists, not the masses, these days.
no, not at all. pointing out how bad Detroit has been represented by the “largesse of Blue States”. Does that stay on “topic” enough for you to follow?
Sorry, not seeing it.
so when does the “reality community” start advocating genetic engineering or eugenics to cleanse the race of those defective conservatives ? Since “decent human beings” like Peter Singer are in favor of even infanticide, when are the “empathy people” getting started with the killing of little conservatives under 5 years old ? I mean it’d be for their own good anyways because they are sick, diseased people (but people who cycle thru 36 genders are totally ok)
rightwing ppl need to reappropriate science/tech/math/etc. Up until the 1960s there were tons of rightwing and conservative people even in the humanities and arts.
Well, you can’t deny that universities are just state sponsored indoctrination centers now. After attending college again after 20 years, I can’t believe what I saw and heard.
Apart from a major plague or new world war, I don’t know what can change where we are heading.
Mass defunding of the humanities and social sciences must become a priority. Culture war must become smarter and more ruthless. Defund the universities ! Not because we hate knowledge but because we have no obligation to buy the current academics’ product which is poisonous for us. I have nothing against humanities and social science. I dont think they’re useless. I do think they need to be rebooted and that most of academia in the current_year belongs in the trash bin of history.
and I say that one should also use race/ethnicity data. Why not ? Would that remove any information ? Would that add information ? It probably would add information. I want to see per capita welfare use for (red states with a high black pop) vs ( red states with a low black pop) vs (blue states with a high black pop) vs (blue states with a low black pop). I want to see the data broken down at the county level, too.
oh yeah because my mom = every woman. I guess I should respect even women who kill their kids because they could be my mom and if my mom killed a kid I have to respect her because she’s my mom or something.
I have a feeling that my mom doesn’t think people need to respect her *just because she has a vagina*.
lol someone is not happy that his snopes/rationalwiki/wired/cnn isn’t taken as a gospel anymore
I’m not happy that shitbags are able to stream YouTube video and influence geopolitical policy without any evidence.
what do you have against black christians ? You know, those really religious people among whom no atheists are found ? bet you didn’t think of that one, “reality based decent human being” lol
Who said anything about being black?
you said the bible nest is worst than anyone wrt herpes/crime/welfare. You clearly have in mind “white christians = worst social indices”. Just thought i’d remind you that in general blacks are even more christians than whites. Funny how quickly “smart secular” folks forget that. Maybe it makes you guys uncomfortable lol
funny how the i_heart_science crowd is totally Ok with IQ when some study “proves” that WHITE conservatives are dumb but any study that has to do with the low IQs of people other than white conservatives is “pseudoscience” lol
You seriously want to see a map of low IQ superimposed upon a map of hillary landslide counties ? please someone do it!
are detroit and baltimore part of high IQ land or low IQ land ? are you shortcircuiting right now ?
Pam, the most important thing you need to grasp is that “people” like sleestakJones are on the enemy team. He hates you, your family and your church with a passion that you can’t understand, even though you’ve done nothing to him.
People like you need to find a way to part ways with him and his ilk. Radically. Don’t be afraid. The great american cities and the america that used to be great was built by folks like you, your family and the people in your church. That’s right. This *doesn’t need to be a country vs city thing* because there was a time when country americans liked their city cousins and vice versa.
The city is now full of “rootless cosmopolitans” like sleestakJones who go out of their way to harm you (for racial reasons mostly). There needs to be an america wide movement to completely sever ties with ppl like him.
i thought gentrification was a bad thing. why do you want to turn these vibrant places into productive lands when the current vibrant inhabitants don’t want to ?
or farmers could get really deep into identity and decide that they don’t want their enemy’s money and that they’d rather have you all “reality based, i fcking ove science” people die off.
In this very thread you “decent human beings” are calling white working class or rural people “outdated farm equipment”. Nice of you to speak truly and freely.
It’s absurdly simplistic to act as if large groups of people are homogeneous, as you are. I didn’t call anyone”outdated farm equipment”. One person, out of the hundreds who’ve commented here, said that.
Similarly, “farmers” aren’t a homogeneous mass who will all act in perfect unison.
Economics 101. The more farmers boycott the source of their own livelihood, the more profitable it becomes for the remaining farmers to sell to urbanites. A the opportunity for profit grows, the chances of defection increases.
It’s also ironic how many conservatives and Trump supporters criticize liberals for being too sensitive, yet you’re literally suggesting farmers should starve half the population just because they disagree with you. You triggered bro?
i want those amounts plotted against “percent minority” where minority is defined as “black, alaskan native, native american, hispanic, ” = list of usually underperforming minorities.
*Pretty sure west virginia is the only legit example of a white moocher red state*.
Maine is pretty white too but it’d not a red state.
poor little islamic state jihadis suffering under russian assault!
Poor little islamic state fighters getting micro-aggressed by homophobic russians who hate pussy riot! Those islamic state moderate juhadis are such nice guys are I’m so impressed that the “reality community” and the “decent human beings” in the west are on their side against the horrible russians who don’t like pussy riot!
wuuuuuuuuuuut
mocking western democratic liberals who take the side of islamic state beheaders against Assad and his russian allies
Oh YEAH Assad he’s just a fine and dandy leader, never barrell bombed a school that didn’t deserve it.
you still take the side of islamic state behaders and gay killers etc. you’re such a brave, “reality based” careful thinker you!
Well, I found the FSB troll. You can collect your paycheck from the Kremlin now.
damn it you uncovered me! now i have to use another russian ip address to conduct my hacking of the upcoming french and german elections! damn, you found me out! Gonna have to use another handle to organize those migrant rapes in germany and sweden! damn i need more rubbles!
yeah because your hostility towards trump voters (whom you imagine as WHITE) isn’t required in order to remain a member in good standing of your tribe (“reality based decent human beings with a lot of empathy bayesian rationalist polyamorous geek I_fucking_love_science cargo cultists”). Like you could really keep your friends while not hating trump voters. lol
wut
yeah yeah could have should have could be …. but wasn’t so irrelevant lol
This seems impressive if you ignore the fact that it has nothing to do with population. A huge county in Wyoming with 300 people in it looks more impressive than a county in California with 3 million in it.
Electoral College FTMFW
David Brooks was a prominent leader of the NEVER TRUMP movement. George Will left the Republican Party because it nominated Trump. These men are not part of TrumpLand.